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"wrong sample count" When reading MP4 files using OpenCV
26 octobre 2022, par Object UnknownI want to marge some mp4 videos using OpenCV library, but when I try to read those videos using
cv::VideoCapture, it outputs like that :

[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9AAE9D80] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9AAE7D80] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9A128600] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9A129840] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB9AA28E40] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9A169B00] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9A16B680] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB960CD680] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB960CC8C0] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9A81DDC0] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9A81B000] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB960CB200] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB960CBFC0] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB99F206C0] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB99F20B40] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9A81D480] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9A81B000] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9AD02C00] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9AD02300] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9A81B480] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9A81B940] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[h264 @ 000001EB9AD02780] co located POCs unavailable
[h264 @ 000001EB9AD01E40] co located POCs unavailable
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count
[mov,mp4,m4a,3gp,3g2,mj2 @ 000001EB96084B80] wrong sample count


and just exited with exit value 0. I want to know why it is reporting this and how to solve it please.


Heres my demo code :


#include <string>
#include <iostream>
#include <opencv2></opencv2>core/core.hpp>
#include <opencv2></opencv2>video/video.hpp>
#include <opencv2></opencv2>imgproc/imgproc.hpp>
#include <opencv2></opencv2>videoio/videoio.hpp>
#include <opencv2></opencv2>highgui/highgui.hpp>

int main()
{
 cv::Mat frame;
 cv::VideoCapture vcap;
 for (int i = 1; i <= 60; i++)
 {
 if (!vcap.open("G:\\Users\\15819\\Desktop\\Demo\\demo (" + std::to_string(i) + ").mp4"))
 {
 std::cout << "Failed to Open File: demo (" << i << ").mp4" << std::endl;
 continue;
 }
 while (!vcap.read(frame))
 cv::imshow("video", frame);
 }
 return 0;
}
</iostream></string>

I installed the
OpenCVandFFmpeglibrary usingvcpkg, here's the library information (displayed byvcpkg listcommand) :

ffmpeg:x64-windows 4.4.1#21 a library to decode, encode, transcode, mux, dem...
ffmpeg:x86-windows 4.4.1#21 a library to decode, encode, transcode, mux, dem...
ffmpeg[avcodec]:x64-windows Build the avcodec library
ffmpeg[avcodec]:x86-windows Build the avcodec library
ffmpeg[avdevice]:x64-windows Build the avdevice library
ffmpeg[avdevice]:x86-windows Build the avdevice library
ffmpeg[avfilter]:x64-windows Build the avfilter library
ffmpeg[avfilter]:x86-windows Build the avfilter library
ffmpeg[avformat]:x64-windows Build the avformat library
ffmpeg[avformat]:x86-windows Build the avformat library
ffmpeg[openh264]:x64-windows H.264 de/encoding via openh264
ffmpeg[openh264]:x86-windows H.264 de/encoding via openh264
ffmpeg[swresample]:x64-windows Build the swresample library
ffmpeg[swresample]:x86-windows Build the swresample library
ffmpeg[swscale]:x64-windows Build the swscale library
ffmpeg[swscale]:x86-windows Build the swscale library
opencv4:x64-windows 4.6.0#6 computer vision library
opencv4:x86-windows 4.6.0#6 computer vision library
opencv4[default-features]:x64-windows Platform-dependent default features
opencv4[default-features]:x86-windows Platform-dependent default features
opencv4[dnn]:x64-windows Enable dnn module
opencv4[dnn]:x86-windows Enable dnn module
opencv4[ffmpeg]:x64-windows ffmpeg support for opencv
opencv4[ffmpeg]:x86-windows ffmpeg support for opencv
opencv4[jpeg]:x64-windows JPEG support for opencv
opencv4[jpeg]:x86-windows JPEG support for opencv
opencv4[png]:x64-windows PNG support for opencv
opencv4[png]:x86-windows PNG support for opencv
opencv4[qt]:x64-windows Qt GUI support for opencv
opencv4[qt]:x86-windows Qt GUI support for opencv
opencv4[quirc]:x64-windows Enable QR code module
opencv4[quirc]:x86-windows Enable QR code module
opencv4[tiff]:x64-windows TIFF support for opencv
opencv4[tiff]:x86-windows TIFF support for opencv
opencv4[webp]:x64-windows WebP support for opencv
opencv4[webp]:x86-windows WebP support for opencv
opencv:x64-windows 4.6.0 Computer vision library
opencv:x86-windows 4.6.0 Computer vision library
opencv[default-features]:x64-windows Platform-dependent default features
opencv[default-features]:x86-windows Platform-dependent default features
opencv[dnn]:x64-windows Enable dnn module
opencv[dnn]:x86-windows Enable dnn module
opencv[jpeg]:x64-windows JPEG support for opencv
opencv[jpeg]:x86-windows JPEG support for opencv
opencv[png]:x64-windows PNG support for opencv
opencv[png]:x86-windows PNG support for opencv
opencv[quirc]:x64-windows Enable QR code module
opencv[quirc]:x86-windows Enable QR code module
opencv[tiff]:x64-windows TIFF support for opencv
opencv[tiff]:x86-windows TIFF support for opencv
opencv[webp]:x64-windows WebP support for opencv
opencv[webp]:x86-windows WebP support for opencv


Other Environments :


OS: Windows 11 x64 Professional Workstation
IDE: Visual Studio 2022
Project C++ Standard: C++14
Project Platform: x64 Release


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Why convert wav to mp3 get different length
13 avril 2022, par sybilI use NAudio and NAudio.Lame to convert a wav file to mp3 file,code like that :


using var reader = new WaveFileReader(file);
using var ms = new MemoryStream();
var writer = new LameMP3FileWriter(ms, reader.WaveFormat, 32);
reader.CopyTo(writer);
writer.Flush();
File.WriteAllBytes(file.Replace("wav", "mp3"), ms.ToArray());


the wav file length is 1500ms,but the mp3 file length is 1557ms.


And I do the same thing by using ffmpeg.exe,command like that :


ffmpeg -i c:\2\xxx.wav c:\2\xxx.mp3


the output info :


ffmpeg version 5.0.1-essentials_build-www.gyan.dev Copyright (c) 2000-2022 the FFmpeg developers
 built with gcc 11.2.0 (Rev7, Built by MSYS2 project)
 configuration: --enable-gpl --enable-version3 --enable-static --disable-w32threads --disable-autodetect --enable-fontconfig --enable-iconv --enable-gnutls --enable-libxml2 --enable-gmp --enable-lzma --enable-zlib --enable-libsrt --enable-libssh --enable-libzmq --enable-avisynth --enable-sdl2 --enable-libwebp --enable-libx264 --enable-libx265 --enable-libxvid --enable-libaom --enable-libopenjpeg --enable-libvpx --enable-libass --enable-libfreetype --enable-libfribidi --enable-libvidstab --enable-libvmaf --enable-libzimg --enable-amf --enable-cuda-llvm --enable-cuvid --enable-ffnvcodec --enable-nvdec --enable-nvenc --enable-d3d11va --enable-dxva2 --enable-libmfx --enable-libgme --enable-libopenmpt --enable-libopencore-amrwb --enable-libmp3lame --enable-libtheora --enable-libvo-amrwbenc --enable-libgsm --enable-libopencore-amrnb --enable-libopus --enable-libspeex --enable-libvorbis --enable-librubberband
 libavutil 57. 17.100 / 57. 17.100
 libavcodec 59. 18.100 / 59. 18.100
 libavformat 59. 16.100 / 59. 16.100
 libavdevice 59. 4.100 / 59. 4.100
 libavfilter 8. 24.100 / 8. 24.100
 libswscale 6. 4.100 / 6. 4.100
 libswresample 4. 3.100 / 4. 3.100
 libpostproc 56. 3.100 / 56. 3.100
Guessed Channel Layout for Input Stream #0.0 : mono
Input #0, wav, from 'c:\2\xxx.wav':
 Duration: 00:00:01.50, bitrate: 768 kb/s
 Stream #0:0: Audio: pcm_s16le ([1][0][0][0] / 0x0001), 48000 Hz, mono, s16, 768 kb/s
Stream mapping:
 Stream #0:0 -> #0:0 (pcm_s16le (native) -> mp3 (libmp3lame))
Press [q] to stop, [?] for help
Output #0, mp3, to 'c:\2\xxx.mp3':
 Metadata:
 TSSE : Lavf59.16.100
 Stream #0:0: Audio: mp3, 48000 Hz, mono, s16p
 Metadata:
 encoder : Lavc59.18.100 libmp3lame
size= 12kB time=00:00:01.51 bitrate= 66.2kbits/s speed= 137x
video:0kB audio:12kB subtitle:0kB other streams:0kB global headers:0kB muxing overhead: 1.928711%


And I get a mp3 file which length is 1536ms.
So,why the length changed ?
Thanks for reading.


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ffmpeg "Time code of first frame" not making sense [closed]
23 janvier, par Kevin VaskoI can't seem to make sense of where ffmpeg is coming up with the "Time code of first frame" value.


My original file that I am using.


This video has the general timestamps of the original encoding date (aka the start time of the video the way I understanding it) and a duration of 8 min and 52s


$ mediainfo GL0100002_output.mp4 
General
Complete name : GL0100002_output.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size : 93.7 MiB
Duration : 8 min 52 s
Overall bit rate : 1 476 kb/s
Encoded date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42
Tagged date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42
Writing application : Lavf58.29.100

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 8 min 52 s
Bit rate : 1 342 kb/s
Width : 848 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.138
Stream size : 85.2 MiB (91%)
Title : GoPro AVC 
Writing library : x264 core 155 r2917 0a84d98
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=3 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=7 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=2 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=40 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=23.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Encoded date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42
Tagged date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42
Color range : Full
Codec configuration box : avcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 8 min 52 s
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 129 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 8.16 MiB (9%)
Title : GoPro AAC 
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1
Encoded date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42
Tagged date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42

Other
ID : 3
Type : Time code
Format : QuickTime TC
Duration : 8 min 52 s
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame : 15:57:41:15
Time code, striped : Yes
Title : GoPro AVC 
Language : English
Default : No
Encoded date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42
Tagged date : UTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42


Now if I run


ffmpeg -y -nostdin -v error -ss 00:00:00.042 -i GL0100002_output.mp4 -t 00:00:25.192 -map 0 -map -0:d -c:v libx264 -preset fast -crf 21 -c:a aac -sn GL0100002_test.DSME_0001.mp4

I get the following mediainfo


$ mediainfo GL0100002_test.DSME_0001.mp4 
General
Complete name : GL0100002_test.DSME_0001.mp4
Format : MPEG-4
Format profile : Base Media
Codec ID : isom (isom/iso2/avc1/mp41)
File size : 4.54 MiB
Duration : 25 s 234 ms
Overall bit rate : 1 510 kb/s
Writing application : Lavf58.29.100

Video
ID : 1
Format : AVC
Format/Info : Advanced Video Codec
Format profile : High@L3
Format settings : CABAC / 4 Ref Frames
Format settings, CABAC : Yes
Format settings, Reference frames : 4 frames
Codec ID : avc1
Codec ID/Info : Advanced Video Coding
Duration : 25 s 234 ms
Bit rate : 1 376 kb/s
Width : 848 pixels
Height : 480 pixels
Display aspect ratio : 16:9
Frame rate mode : Constant
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Color space : YUV
Chroma subsampling : 4:2:0
Bit depth : 8 bits
Scan type : Progressive
Bits/(Pixel*Frame) : 0.141
Stream size : 4.14 MiB (91%)
Title : GoPro AVC 
Writing library : x264 core 155 r2917 0a84d98
Encoding settings : cabac=1 / ref=2 / deblock=1:0:0 / analyse=0x3:0x113 / me=hex / subme=6 / psy=1 / psy_rd=1.00:0.00 / mixed_ref=1 / me_range=16 / chroma_me=1 / trellis=1 / 8x8dct=1 / cqm=0 / deadzone=21,11 / fast_pskip=1 / chroma_qp_offset=-2 / threads=12 / lookahead_threads=2 / sliced_threads=0 / nr=0 / decimate=1 / interlaced=0 / bluray_compat=0 / constrained_intra=0 / bframes=3 / b_pyramid=2 / b_adapt=1 / b_bias=0 / direct=1 / weightb=1 / open_gop=0 / weightp=1 / keyint=250 / keyint_min=23 / scenecut=40 / intra_refresh=0 / rc_lookahead=30 / rc=crf / mbtree=1 / crf=21.0 / qcomp=0.60 / qpmin=0 / qpmax=69 / qpstep=4 / ip_ratio=1.40 / aq=1:1.00
Language : English
Color range : Full
Codec configuration box : avcC

Audio
ID : 2
Format : AAC LC
Format/Info : Advanced Audio Codec Low Complexity
Codec ID : mp4a-40-2
Duration : 25 s 214 ms
Duration_LastFrame : -3 ms
Bit rate mode : Constant
Bit rate : 129 kb/s
Channel(s) : 2 channels
Channel layout : L R
Sampling rate : 48.0 kHz
Frame rate : 46.875 FPS (1024 SPF)
Compression mode : Lossy
Stream size : 398 KiB (9%)
Title : GoPro AAC 
Language : English
Default : Yes
Alternate group : 1

Other
ID : 3
Type : Time code
Format : QuickTime TC
Duration : 25 s 234 ms
Frame rate : 23.976 (24000/1001) FPS
Time code of first frame : 15:57:41:15
Time code, striped : Yes
Title : GoPro AVC 
Language : English
Default : No


But what I don't understand is where
Time code of first frameis coming from. I would expect it would be00:00:00.042or evenUTC 2022-02-23 15:18:42+ .042 but appear to be.

Time code of first frame : 15:57:41:15


Is this potentially clobbering together something to get this time that isn't obvious ?


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