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• h264 lossless coding

  29 septembre 2014, par cloudraven

  Is it possible to do completely lossless encoding in h264 ? By lossless, I mean that if I feed it a series of frames and encode them, and then if I extract all the frames from the encoded video, I will get the exact same frames as in the input, pixel by pixel, frame by frame. Is that actually possible ?
  Take this example :

  I generate a bunch of frames, then I encode the image sequence to an uncompressed AVI (with something like virtualdub), I then apply lossless h264 (the help files claim that setting —qp 0 makes lossless compression, but I am not sure if that means that there is no loss at any point of the process or that just the quantization is lossless). I can then extract the frames from the resulting h264 video with something like mplayer.

  I tried with Handbrake first, but it turns out it doesn’t support lossless encoding. I tried x264 but it crashes. It may be because my source AVI file is in RGB colorspace instead of YV12. I don’t know how to feed a series of YV12 bitmaps and in what format to x264 anyway, so I cannot even try.

  In summary what I want to know if that is there a way to go from

  Series of lossless bitmaps (in any colorspace) -> some transformation -> h264 encode -> h264 decode -> some transformation -> the original series of lossless bitmaps

  If there a way to achieve this ?

  EDIT : There is a VERY valid point about lossless H264 not making too much sense. I am well aware that there is no way I could tell (with just my eyes) the difference between and uncompressed clip and another compressed at a high rate in H264, but I don’t think it is not without uses. For example, it may be useful for storing video for editing without taking huge amounts of space and not losing quality and spending too much encoding time every time the file is saved.

  UPDATE 2 : Now x264 doesn’t crash. I can use as sources either avisynth or lossless yv12 lagarith (to avoid the colorspace compression warning). Howerver, even with —qp 0 and a rgb or yv12 source I still get some differences, minimal but present. This is troubling, because all the information I have found on lossless predictive coding (—qp 0) claims that the whole encoding should be lossless, but I am unable to verifiy this.

• h264 lossless coding

  19 juillet 2022, par cloudraven

  Is it possible to do completely lossless encoding in h264 ? By lossless, I mean that if I feed it a series of frames and encode them, and then if I extract all the frames from the encoded video, I will get the exact same frames as in the input, pixel by pixel, frame by frame. Is that actually possible ?
Take this example :

  



  I generate a bunch of frames, then I encode the image sequence to an uncompressed AVI (with something like virtualdub), I then apply lossless h264 (the help files claim that setting —qp 0 makes lossless compression, but I am not sure if that means that there is no loss at any point of the process or that just the quantization is lossless). I can then extract the frames from the resulting h264 video with something like mplayer.

  



  I tried with Handbrake first, but it turns out it doesn't support lossless encoding. I tried x264 but it crashes. It may be because my source AVI file is in RGB colorspace instead of YV12. I don't know how to feed a series of YV12 bitmaps and in what format to x264 anyway, so I cannot even try.

  



  In summary what I want to know if that is there a way to go from

  



  Series of lossless bitmaps (in any colorspace) -> some transformation -> h264 encode -> h264 decode -> some transformation -> the original series of lossless bitmaps

  



  If there a way to achieve this ?

  



  EDIT : There is a VERY valid point about lossless H264 not making too much sense. I am well aware that there is no way I could tell (with just my eyes) the difference between and uncompressed clip and another compressed at a high rate in H264, but I don't think it is not without uses. For example, it may be useful for storing video for editing without taking huge amounts of space and not losing quality and spending too much encoding time every time the file is saved.

  



  UPDATE 2 : Now x264 doesn't crash. I can use as sources either avisynth or lossless yv12 lagarith (to avoid the colorspace compression warning). Howerver, even with —qp 0 and a rgb or yv12 source I still get some differences, minimal but present. This is troubling, because all the information I have found on lossless predictive coding (—qp 0) claims that the whole encoding should be lossless, but I am unable to verifiy this.

  


• Sony Launches Less Useful Z5U

  18 novembre 2009

  Sony today announced the NXCAM, an AVCHD-based "professional" camera which bears a striking resemblance to the EX1 and Z5U.

  You get 1080p exmor CMOS chips (presumably 1/3" ?) and records AVCHD to the highly popular (sarcasm) Memory Stick media.

  Pricing hasn’t been announced, but presumably it’ll be in the $4000 range like the Z5U. I’ll be curious to see how this shakes out in the market.