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• How does FFmpeg determine the “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” dispositions of an MP4 track ?

  6 mars, par obskyr

  The Issue

  


  FFmpeg has a concept of “dispositions” – a property that describes the purpose of a stream in a media file. For example, here are the streams in a file I have lying around, with the dispositions emphasized :

  


    Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo,&#xA;fltp, 251 kb/s <strong><em>(default)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Audio&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Video: mjpeg (Baseline) (jpeg / 0x6765706A),&#xA;yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1024x1024, 0 kb/s, 0.0006 fps, 3.08 tbr,&#xA;600 tbn <strong><em>(default) (attached pic) (timed thumbnails)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Video&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:2[0x3](und): Data: bin_data (text / 0x74786574)&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Text&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:3[0x0]: Video: mjpeg (Baseline), yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/&#xA;unknown), 1024x1024 [SAR 144:144 DAR 1:1], 90k tbr, 90k tbn <strong><em>(attached pic)</em></strong>

  


  However, if I make any modification to this file’s chapter markers using the C++ library MP4v2 (even just re-saving the existing ones : auto f = MP4Modify("test.m4a"); MP4Chapter_t* chapterList; uint32_t chapterCount; MP4GetChapters(f, &chapterList, &chapterCount); MP4SetChapters(f, chapterList, chapterCount); MP4Close(f);), some of these dispositions are removed :

  


    Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo,&#xA;fltp, 251 kb/s <strong><em>(default)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Audio&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Video: mjpeg (Baseline) (jpeg / 0x6765706A),&#xA;yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1024x1024, 0 kb/s, 0.0006 fps, 3.08 tbr,&#xA;600 tbn <strong><em>(default)</em></strong> <kbd>← “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” removed!</kbd>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Video&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:2[0x0]: Video: mjpeg (Baseline), yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/&#xA;unknown), 1024x1024 [SAR 144:144 DAR 1:1], 90k tbr, 90k tbn <strong><em>(attached pic)</em></strong>&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:3[0x4](und): Data: bin_data (text / 0x74786574)&#xA;  <kbd>This stream was moved to the end, but that’s intended behavior. It contains chapter titles, and we just edited the chapters.</kbd>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2025-03-05T09:56:31.000000Z

  


  It also renders the file unplayable in MPC-HC (but not in VLC !), which is apparently a bug in MP4v2. I’m currently investigating that bug to report and potentially fix it, but that’s a separate issue – in my journey there, I’m wracking my brain trying to understand what it is that MP4v2 changes to make FFmpeg stop reporting the “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” dispositions. I’ve explored the before-and-afters in MP4 Box, and I can’t for the life of me find which atom it is that differs in a relevant way.

  


  (I’d love to share the files, but unfortunately the contents are under copyright – if anyone knows of a way to remove the audio from an MP4 file without changing anything else, let me know and I’ll upload dummied-out versions. Without them, I can’t really ask about the issue directly. I can at least show you the files’ respective atom trees, but I’m not sure how relevant that is.)

  


  The Question

  


  I thought I’d read FFmpeg’s source code to find out how it determines dispositions for MP4 streams, but of course, FFmpeg is very complex. Could someone who’s more familiar with C and/or FFmpeg’s codebase help me sleuth out how FFmpeg determines dispositions for MP4 files (in particular, “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails”) ?

  


  Some Thoughts…

  


  

  • I figure searching for “attached_pic” might be a good start ?

  


  • Could the MP4 muxer movenc.c be helpful ?

  


  • I’d imagine what we’d really like to look at is the MP4 demuxing process, as it’s during demuxing that FFmpeg determines dispositions from the data in the file. After poring over the code for hours, however, I’ve been utterly unable to find where that happens.

  


  


• Anomalie #2024 (Nouveau) : langue des boutons d’admin

  7 avril 2011, par jluc -

  Sur spip.net, depuis plusieurs années, le texte des boutons d’admin m’apparaît en espagnol alors que tous mes paramétrages (espace perso, navigateur etc) sont en français. Je me souviens qu’un habitué d’IRC constatait également ce même (...)

• ffmpeg : recommended bitrate vs resolution [duplicate]

  15 octobre 2016, par Santhosh Yedidi

  This question already has an answer here :

  • FFMPEG sensible defaults
    
    2 answers
    

  I have high resolution video

    Duration: 00:06:28.80, start: 0.000000, bitrate: 15968 kb/s
  
      Stream #0:0(eng): Video: h264 (High) (avc1 / 0x31637661), yuv420p(tv, bt709), 1920x1080 [SAR 1:1 DAR 16:9], 15809 kb/s, 25 fps, 25 tbr, 25k tbn, 50 tbc (default)
  
      Metadata:
  
        creation_time   : 2016-10-11 05:35:02
  
        handler_name    : Alias Data Handler
  
        encoder         : AVC Coding
  
      Stream #0:1(eng): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 48000 Hz, mono, fltp, 157 kb/s (default)
  
      Metadata:
  
        creation_time   : 2016-10-11 05:35:02
  
        handler_name    : Alias Data Handler

  Its 6+min video.

  I am ok with resolution of 240p (because i want to send it on whatsapp)

  In order my video to look good quality what is the recommended bitrate for 240p. Also is what is the minimum bitrate below which the chances of pixelating will be there in the video.

  I dont want to go for high bitrate also. Because ultimately i want the size to be not more than 240p.

  I use mpv to see the video. I scale the original video to 240p, the quality after conversion should match the quality visible in mpv. That will give me first hand idea of how good is the conversion.

  I expect a good amount of reduction in size(MB : where original is 740mb) of the file when reduced from 1920x1080 to 240p

  I have found some information regarding this.

  

  How much is this true