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• How does FFmpeg determine the “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” dispositions of an MP4 track ?

  6 mars, par obskyr

  The Issue

  


  FFmpeg has a concept of “dispositions” – a property that describes the purpose of a stream in a media file. For example, here are the streams in a file I have lying around, with the dispositions emphasized :

  


    Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo,&#xA;fltp, 251 kb/s <strong><em>(default)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Audio&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Video: mjpeg (Baseline) (jpeg / 0x6765706A),&#xA;yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1024x1024, 0 kb/s, 0.0006 fps, 3.08 tbr,&#xA;600 tbn <strong><em>(default) (attached pic) (timed thumbnails)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Video&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:2[0x3](und): Data: bin_data (text / 0x74786574)&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Text&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:3[0x0]: Video: mjpeg (Baseline), yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/&#xA;unknown), 1024x1024 [SAR 144:144 DAR 1:1], 90k tbr, 90k tbn <strong><em>(attached pic)</em></strong>

  


  However, if I make any modification to this file’s chapter markers using the C++ library MP4v2 (even just re-saving the existing ones : auto f = MP4Modify("test.m4a"); MP4Chapter_t* chapterList; uint32_t chapterCount; MP4GetChapters(f, &chapterList, &chapterCount); MP4SetChapters(f, chapterList, chapterCount); MP4Close(f);), some of these dispositions are removed :

  


    Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo,&#xA;fltp, 251 kb/s <strong><em>(default)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Audio&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Video: mjpeg (Baseline) (jpeg / 0x6765706A),&#xA;yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1024x1024, 0 kb/s, 0.0006 fps, 3.08 tbr,&#xA;600 tbn <strong><em>(default)</em></strong> <kbd>← “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” removed!</kbd>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Video&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:2[0x0]: Video: mjpeg (Baseline), yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/&#xA;unknown), 1024x1024 [SAR 144:144 DAR 1:1], 90k tbr, 90k tbn <strong><em>(attached pic)</em></strong>&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:3[0x4](und): Data: bin_data (text / 0x74786574)&#xA;  <kbd>This stream was moved to the end, but that’s intended behavior. It contains chapter titles, and we just edited the chapters.</kbd>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2025-03-05T09:56:31.000000Z

  


  It also renders the file unplayable in MPC-HC (but not in VLC !), which is apparently a bug in MP4v2. I’m currently investigating that bug to report and potentially fix it, but that’s a separate issue – in my journey there, I’m wracking my brain trying to understand what it is that MP4v2 changes to make FFmpeg stop reporting the “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” dispositions. I’ve explored the before-and-afters in MP4 Box, and I can’t for the life of me find which atom it is that differs in a relevant way.

  


  (I’d love to share the files, but unfortunately the contents are under copyright – if anyone knows of a way to remove the audio from an MP4 file without changing anything else, let me know and I’ll upload dummied-out versions. Without them, I can’t really ask about the issue directly. I can at least show you the files’ respective atom trees, but I’m not sure how relevant that is.)

  


  The Question

  


  I thought I’d read FFmpeg’s source code to find out how it determines dispositions for MP4 streams, but of course, FFmpeg is very complex. Could someone who’s more familiar with C and/or FFmpeg’s codebase help me sleuth out how FFmpeg determines dispositions for MP4 files (in particular, “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails”) ?

  


  Some Thoughts…

  


  

  • I figure searching for “attached_pic” might be a good start ?

  


  • Could the MP4 muxer movenc.c be helpful ?

  


  • I’d imagine what we’d really like to look at is the MP4 demuxing process, as it’s during demuxing that FFmpeg determines dispositions from the data in the file. After poring over the code for hours, however, I’ve been utterly unable to find where that happens.

  


  


• How does FFmpeg determine the dispositions of an MP4 track ?

  5 mars, par obskyr

  The Issue

  


  FFmpeg has a concept of “dispositions” – a property that describes the purpose of a stream in a media file. For example, here are the streams in a file I have lying around, with the dispositions emphasized :

  


    Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo,&#xA;fltp, 251 kb/s <strong><em>(default)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Audio&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Video: mjpeg (Baseline) (jpeg / 0x6765706A),&#xA;yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1024x1024, 0 kb/s, 0.0006 fps, 3.08 tbr,&#xA;600 tbn <strong><em>(default) (attached pic) (timed thumbnails)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Video&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:2[0x3](und): Data: bin_data (text / 0x74786574)&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Text&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:3[0x0]: Video: mjpeg (Baseline), yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/&#xA;unknown), 1024x1024 [SAR 144:144 DAR 1:1], 90k tbr, 90k tbn <strong><em>(attached pic)</em></strong>

  


  However, if I make any modification to this file’s chapter markers using the C++ library MP4v2 (even just re-saving the existing ones : auto f = MP4Modify("test.m4a"); MP4Chapter_t* chapterList; uint32_t chapterCount; MP4GetChapters(f, &chapterList, &chapterCount); MP4SetChapters(f, chapterList, chapterCount); MP4Close(f);), some of these dispositions are removed :

  


    Stream #0:0[0x1](und): Audio: aac (LC) (mp4a / 0x6134706D), 44100 Hz, stereo,&#xA;fltp, 251 kb/s <strong><em>(default)</em></strong>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Audio&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:1[0x2](und): Video: mjpeg (Baseline) (jpeg / 0x6765706A),&#xA;yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/unknown), 1024x1024, 0 kb/s, 0.0006 fps, 3.08 tbr,&#xA;600 tbn <strong><em>(default)</em></strong> <kbd>← “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” removed!</kbd>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2021-11-10T20:14:06.000000Z&#xA;        handler_name    : Core Media Video&#xA;        vendor_id       : [0][0][0][0]&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:2[0x0]: Video: mjpeg (Baseline), yuvj420p(pc, bt470bg/unknown/&#xA;unknown), 1024x1024 [SAR 144:144 DAR 1:1], 90k tbr, 90k tbn <strong><em>(attached pic)</em></strong>&#xA;&#xA;  Stream #0:3[0x4](und): Data: bin_data (text / 0x74786574)&#xA;  <kbd>This stream was moved to the end, but that’s intended behavior. It contains chapter titles, and we just edited the chapters.</kbd>&#xA;      Metadata:&#xA;        creation_time   : 2025-03-05T09:56:31.000000Z

  


  It also renders the file unplayable in MPC-HC (but not in VLC !), which is apparently a bug in MP4v2. I’m currently investigating that bug to report and potentially fix it, but that’s a separate issue – in my journey there, I’m wracking my brain trying to understand what it is that MP4v2 changes to make FFmpeg stop reporting the “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails” dispositions. I’ve explored the before-and-afters in MP4 Box, and I can’t for the life of me find which atom it is that differs in a relevant way.

  


  (I’d love to share the files, but unfortunately the contents are under copyright – if anyone knows of a way to remove the audio from an MP4 file without changing anything else, let me know and I’ll upload dummied-out versions. Without them, I can’t really ask about the issue directly. I can at least show you the files’ respective atom trees, but I’m not sure how relevant that is.)

  


  The Question

  


  I thought I’d read FFmpeg’s source code to find out how it determines dispositions for MP4 streams, but of course, FFmpeg is very complex. Could someone who’s more familiar with C and/or FFmpeg’s codebase help me sleuth out how FFmpeg determines dispositions for MP4 files (in particular, “attached pic” and “timed thumbnails”) ?

  


  Some Thoughts…

  


  

  • I figure searching for “attached_pic” might be a good start ?

  


  • Could the MP4 muxer movenc.c be helpful ?

  


  • I’d imagine what we’d really like to look at is the MP4 demuxing process, as it’s during demuxing that FFmpeg determines dispositions from the data in the file. After poring over the code for hours, however, I’ve been utterly unable to find where that happens.

  


  


• ffmpeg throws error "Invalid file index 1 in filtergraph description" when used with concat and -/filter_complex [closed]

  20 février, par Ernst V

  I want to create mp4 videos from many small .jpg files (time-lapse). Each image is shown for 2 seconds and then fades to the next. This works fine when I issue the command with a few images (see below). But when the number of images reaches hundreds or thousands, I can no longer put them into a single command, but have to put the filenames and the complex filter into .txt files.

  


  Whatever I try, I always get the error "Invalid file index 1 in filtergraph description".

  


  This works fine :

  


  ffmpeg -loop 1 -i "image1.jpg" -loop 1 -i "image2.jpg" -loop 1 -i "image3.jpg" -loop 1 -i "image4.jpg" -loop 1 -i "image5.jpg" -filter_complex "[0:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v0]; [1:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v1]; [2:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v2]; [3:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v3]; [4:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v4]; [v0][v1] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=1 [xf1]; [xf1][v2] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=2 [xf2]; [xf2][v3] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=3 [xf3]; [xf3][v4] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=4 [xf4]" -map "[xf4]" -c:v libx264 -crf 18 -pix_fmt yuv420p output.mp4


  


  But when I put the input files and the filter in txt files, it fails with the error above :

  


  ffmpeg -stream_loop 1 -f concat -safe 0 -i concat_list.txt -/filter_complex filter_script.txt -map "[xf4]" -c:v libx264 -crf 18 -pix_fmt yuv420p output.mp4


  


  This is the concat_list.txt :

  


  file 'image1.jpg'
file 'image2.jpg'
file 'image3.jpg'
file 'image4.jpg'
file 'image5.jpg'


  


  This is the filter_script.txt :

  


  [0:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v0];[1:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v1];[2:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v2];[3:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v3];[4:v]trim=0:2,setpts=PTS-STARTPTS[v4];[v0][v1] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=1 [xf1];[xf1][v2] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=2 [xf2];[xf2][v3] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=3 [xf3];[xf3][v4] xfade=transition=fade:duration=1:offset=4 [xf4]


  


  I tried adding/removing line breaks, semicolons, etc. Nothing helped.
Any idea what is going wrong here ? Thank you very much !

  


  My ffmpeg version is the most recent one :

  


  ffmpeg version 2025-02-17-git-b92577405b-full_build-www.gyan.dev